El oh el. You must be one of those people that say "If a story doesn't go the way I think it should, because I have been reading something for a very long time and I know everything that should go on in the universe, it's crap."
The universe doesn't revolve around your camp. The write will write as he sees fit. It's HIS story, not yours.
No, he did create a load of plot holes with this chapter. It isn't about the story revolving around my "camp" but about it being absolute shit since the war started
Hatake Kakashi was 26 years old at the start of Naruto. Uzumaki Naruto was 12.
Subtract 12 from 26 and you have 14. Minato was attacked by an adult Tobi already at a ridiculous strength. Your ages don't add up!
Besides, how could Obito have used his eye for Izanagi if Kakashi had the damned thing!? Both of Shisui's eyes were destroyed.
And wouldn't he be blinded from using the Mangekyou for so many years without the Eternal? And if he had the Eternal, wouldn't it look different from Kakashi's Mangekyou?
I love Naruto, I really do, but this was the dumbest plot twist I've seen in years.
All we know so far is it's Obito's body. The guy hasn't said a word since getting his mask broken and to be honest there's been a lot of deception in story from the beginning. Lots of people can easily make themselves look like someone else or even take over another persons body.
It's too early to be dropping it IMO. Lots of people who say they're going to drop it will end up reading it next week anyway.
I never said the story didnt revolve around me. You must be a Narutard. I never made a prediction on Tobi identity it just shouldnt had been Obito. Kishi said it himself in a recent interview everybody would surprised.
Naruto's story been on downhill for a while only kept reading it now because of Tobi. Now Obito is like some evil older Naruto.
Naruto and Sasuke is probably around 15 now. They could possibly beat anyone right now. Gaara is around the same age and he is keeping up with the other Kage's.
You could say Naruto and sasuke had people training them, but Ero-Sennin basically had trouble with the kyubi and orochimaru just wanted to take over sasuke.
I do believe that Tobi/masked man could be more than one person. If not then they probably messed up.
given the ridiculousness since the war started Tobi being Obito is a bit predictable but at the same time equal to CRAPPY plot!
I'm still reading Naruto all these years because I can get it for free but c'mon how much crappier can you get?? the weakling Obito now suddenly a world changing villain? and he was suppose to be dead! how would Kakashi dare took his eye if he is going to live and well after THAT? that would be thievery! he GAVE Kakashi his eye for a good cause and now suddenly he's a super villain trying to conquer the world?
I can believe Orochimaru because he was an evil genius all along and Sasuke even because Konoha annihilated his whole clan but Obito? I really think that Kishi went too overboard with the plot and just throwing things into the plot to keep it alive! guess what, now we will have several episodes of Obito's flashbacks which will drag the story further! mission accomplished?
I agree with Adva. You're one of those, "if it isn't MY THEORY i'm going to cry and whinge and say i'm dropping the manga when in reality i'll keep reading".
you guys are taking his comment the wrong way. The issue here is that the story went the way we all knew it was gonna go... This was predicted by many fans years ago and that sucks. =/
when the 9-tails attacked the village Obito was already an adult while Kakashi and the others were still 13 years old kids. On top of it Obito was just like Naruto and to explain his change of heart will need some major convincing twists.
"after Obito was crushed by the boulder his mangekyou activated by itself and transported his body to the other dimension. AND on that other dimension time passes much faster..."
That's one of the theories made by fans many years ago to explain why Obito looked like an adult during the 9-tails attack and if turns out true this will be a huge disappointment. When a story becomes this predictable it means that the writer is not that good of a writer.
Could you please (or someone) refer me to the manga where Obito appears? Everybody remembers him except for me. I may have have amnesia or something or read the manga sleeping.
Which number is it? Well, maybe since it was a backstory I skipped it since there was a time where I did. So it might be it.
Not to be a fanboy, not to hate you or like you, but come on, it's naruto. Orochimaru can revive from a mole in somebody else's body. Surviving a rock and faking your age is a what they teach'em in the kindergarden.
Point is, I lost the searching of "logic" an "common sense" in that manga, Just wanna know how it'll end.
There are two different Tobis. The first Tobi was Madara Uchiha, the second one is Obito.
Madara knows Orochimaru (Naruto 560 Page 15)
Madara didnt die at The Valley of the End despite losing to Hashirama (Naruto 561 Page 8)
Madara knows Obito and they have a plan. Also Kabuto is unsure if Obito will act as planned. (Naruto 561 Page 9)
Madara knows Obitos plan(Infinite Tsukuyomi).(Naruto 562 Page 4)
Notice the height difference between Madara(first tobi) and Itachi and the height difference between Obito(second Tobi) and Itachi. (
http://naruto.wikia.com/wik... & Naruto 590 Page 11)
So i guess Madara was Obitos mentor and there is no plot hole.
i think the identity of who tobi was originally is somewhat less interesting than how he came to be the leader of the akatsuki and how he devised his plan.
i like the fact that it was obito simply because if it were someone else, it would have been much less dramatic since that individual would not have as much connection to the current cast of characters.
one person that was mentioned was someone like uchiha izuna; that simply would not make any sense. he'd be ancient, i don't know how he'd get the eternal mangekyo since his brother's eyes were already spent, and he'd have no real connection to anyone in any village.
I wanna know who trained him. He got so powerful in a few years time, being able to control kyuubi and fight the fourth head on.
I had a feeling it was him a few years ago because of the right sharingan but when I saw him use izanagi and it revealed his left eye so I got confused.
I don't think anyone ever could have saw this coming... not. Meh there was no one else he could have probably picked that would have made any sense at this point. Now we'll have about 10 chapters of exposition and reasons for actions before anything else significant happens.
it would of made more sense if be was Kagami Uchiha he would of adopted Tobirama Senju name and shorted it to Tobi and have enough knowledge to know so much and face naruto's dad.
I knew it was Obito, but really was wishing it was Kagami.
He had to be something special if he was hanging with Tobirama, Danzo, Sarutobi, and the future elders.
But then again, I suspected that Obito had to be a special Uchiha too, if he was on Minato's team.
Hokage / Sage teams seem to be usually comprised of future elite.
So Tobito - an Uchiha and former 4th's squad member now with Kamui - turning out to be this good doesn't really make me cry BS.
Also there is a new theory that Izuna or the Eldest son of the Sage of the Six Paths might be a body-snatcher. It might be Obito's body, but maybe one of them are wearing his skin like Oro's jutsu.
Your theory about Izune taking over Obito body does seem plausible. I would prefer that twist in the story then it being Obito through and through.
I guess i was a bit disappointed at it being Obito as it just seemed to simple. Never the less i will continue to read for a good explanation of things.
I bet once kishimoto explains everything. Everyone's gonna be like. Ohh ok. This is the best manga every. Then gonna stop bitching. Plus the person who said that the person who fought minato was an adult. How would you know that. You can't call someone an adult by size. WTF. And if your trying to do it by voice. Listen to kakashi's voice before they village was attacked. Sounded like he was a grown man.
So, it's Obito's body but...is he really Obito? After those Orochimaru/Kabuto messed up bs with corpses, I'm pretty sure that's not the original Obito.
It was always obvious Obito was going to be involved here somehow, the telegraphing with the name just made it obvious (children's manga not exactly being known for their subtlety). Still hasn't explained why the O from Obito has been dropped though....here's just hoping that doesn't have to do with Orochimaru or something. As it is, I have to assume that's someone using Obito's body rather than Obito himself, just to make the timeline semi-consistent.
What if Obito's body was controlled by/taken over by Orochimaru and in his expected last seconds under the boulder gave his eye away to keep it from Orochimaru with his insane uchiha obsession and all.
How would you tell he is an adult. You can't just assume he is an adult by his size. The man was wearing some baggy ass cloths. So you can't really tell.
That is my major issue with obito, certainly a tricky one, but will be explained, and might very well be the sharingan's other dimension and such. I just hope he fixes the twist in a decent way, I hate to be left with confusion and disbelief!
OK, obito I can believe. kishi could just make up some cover up or maybe more than one tobi/masked man.
What I won't forgive is that the timeline is all messed up in this chapter. maybe Obito and Kakashi's Sharingan has messed up the space time continuum.
Here's the mistakes: -Obito standing in front of the hokage monument. It has Minato's head on it. Minato became Hokage after that war and in the kakashi gaiden Minato's head wasn't there.
- Kakashi became Chuunin at the age of 6. He clearly states that when he was arguing with Iruka when Kakashi was entering Team 7 for the exams. Kakashi definitely doesn't look 6 there. and entering so many 6 year olds in Chuunin exams is just plain stupidity.
for the people talking about the "plot-hole" with respect to the initial attack against konoha (back when naruto was born); you're all working under the assumption that tobi was the masked man back then. there are some glaring reasons why that is a bad assumption to make.
1) the masked man at that time had long hair, and a different mask
2) kurama said that he was controlled by madara, he never mentioned "tobi"/obito
3) as others have mentioned, he would have been rather young and unseasoned to do a lot of the stuff that he did.
personally, i could live with that explanation. i'm really hoping we don't get some sort of weird thing like with nagato and the six paths of pain. that was already done once, plus we have all of those reanimation jutsu so an edo tensei would be lame. it's just fine the way it seems like it's going right now.
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I just know there is a major plot hole but kishi will come up with some bs to explain it.
You must be one of those people that say "If a story doesn't go the way I think it should, because I have been reading something for a very long time and I know everything that should go on in the universe, it's crap."
The universe doesn't revolve around your camp. The write will write as he sees fit. It's HIS story, not yours.
No, he did create a load of plot holes with this chapter. It isn't about the story revolving around my "camp" but about it being absolute shit since the war started
Uzumaki Naruto was 12.
Subtract 12 from 26 and you have 14. Minato was attacked by an adult Tobi already at a ridiculous strength. Your ages don't add up!
Besides, how could Obito have used his eye for Izanagi if Kakashi had the damned thing!? Both of Shisui's eyes were destroyed.
And wouldn't he be blinded from using the Mangekyou for so many years without the Eternal? And if he had the Eternal, wouldn't it look different from Kakashi's Mangekyou?
I love Naruto, I really do, but this was the dumbest plot twist I've seen in years.
It's too early to be dropping it IMO. Lots of people who say they're going to drop it will end up reading it next week anyway.
Naruto's story been on downhill for a while only kept reading it now because of Tobi. Now Obito is like some evil older Naruto.
Naruto and Sasuke is probably around 15 now. They could possibly beat anyone right now. Gaara is around the same age and he is keeping up with the other Kage's.
You could say Naruto and sasuke had people training them, but Ero-Sennin basically had trouble with the kyubi and orochimaru just wanted to take over sasuke.
I do believe that Tobi/masked man could be more than one person. If not then they probably messed up.
Tobi being Obito is a bit predictable but at the same time equal to CRAPPY plot!
I'm still reading Naruto all these years because I can get it for free but c'mon how much crappier can you get?? the weakling Obito now suddenly a world changing villain? and he was suppose to be dead! how would Kakashi dare took his eye if he is going to live and well after THAT? that would be thievery! he GAVE Kakashi his eye for a good cause and now suddenly he's a super villain trying to conquer the world?
I can believe Orochimaru because he was an evil genius all along and Sasuke even because Konoha annihilated his whole clan but Obito? I really think that Kishi went too overboard with the plot and just throwing things into the plot to keep it alive! guess what, now we will have several episodes of Obito's flashbacks which will drag the story further! mission accomplished?
The "current" take on what's happening doesn't add up, it's a giant plot hole and they are dumb enough to keep it.
It's not Obito, give it 3 weeks of "I took this body after blah blah"
when the 9-tails attacked the village Obito was already an adult while Kakashi and the others were still 13 years old kids. On top of it Obito was just like Naruto and to explain his change of heart will need some major convincing twists.
"after Obito was crushed by the boulder his mangekyou activated by itself and transported his body to the other dimension. AND on that other dimension time passes much faster..."
That's one of the theories made by fans many years ago to explain why Obito looked like an adult during the 9-tails attack and if turns out true this will be a huge disappointment. When a story becomes this predictable it means that the writer is not that good of a writer.
Which number is it? Well, maybe since it was a backstory I skipped it since there was a time where I did. So it might be it.
Point is, I lost the searching of "logic" an "common sense" in that manga, Just wanna know how it'll end.
Madara knows Orochimaru (Naruto 560 Page 15)
Madara didnt die at The Valley of the End despite losing to Hashirama (Naruto 561 Page 8)
Madara knows Obito and they have a plan. Also Kabuto is unsure if Obito will act as planned. (Naruto 561 Page 9)
Madara knows Obitos plan(Infinite Tsukuyomi).(Naruto 562 Page 4)
Notice the height difference between Madara(first tobi) and Itachi and the height difference between Obito(second Tobi) and Itachi. (
http://naruto.wikia.com/wik...
& Naruto 590 Page 11)
So i guess Madara was Obitos mentor and there is no plot hole.
i like the fact that it was obito simply because if it were someone else, it would have been much less dramatic since that individual would not have as much connection to the current cast of characters.
one person that was mentioned was someone like uchiha izuna; that simply would not make any sense. he'd be ancient, i don't know how he'd get the eternal mangekyo since his brother's eyes were already spent, and he'd have no real connection to anyone in any village.
I had a feeling it was him a few years ago because of the right sharingan but when I saw him use izanagi and it revealed his left eye so I got confused.
Thanks Kishi
He had to be something special if he was hanging with Tobirama, Danzo, Sarutobi, and the future elders.
But then again, I suspected that Obito had to be a special Uchiha too, if he was on Minato's team.
Hokage / Sage teams seem to be usually comprised of future elite.
So Tobito - an Uchiha and former 4th's squad member now with Kamui - turning out to be this good doesn't really make me cry BS.
Also there is a new theory that Izuna or the Eldest son of the Sage of the Six Paths might be a body-snatcher. It might be Obito's body, but maybe one of them are wearing his skin like Oro's jutsu.
Though I just think it's Obito, mind and body.
*nerd mode deactivated*
I guess i was a bit disappointed at it being Obito as it just seemed to simple. Never the less i will continue to read for a good explanation of things.
とび To-bi
It was always obvious Obito was going to be involved here somehow, the telegraphing with the name just made it obvious (children's manga not exactly being known for their subtlety). Still hasn't explained why the O from Obito has been dropped though....here's just hoping that doesn't have to do with Orochimaru or something. As it is, I have to assume that's someone using Obito's body rather than Obito himself, just to make the timeline semi-consistent.
Obito could be Orochimaru's current real body.
I just hope he fixes the twist in a decent way, I hate to be left with confusion and disbelief!
You say im a hater all i do is troll tayz.
What I won't forgive is that the timeline is all messed up in this chapter. maybe Obito and Kakashi's Sharingan has messed up the space time continuum.
Here's the mistakes:
-Obito standing in front of the hokage monument. It has Minato's head on it. Minato became Hokage after that war and in the kakashi gaiden Minato's head wasn't there.
- Kakashi became Chuunin at the age of 6. He clearly states that when he was arguing with Iruka when Kakashi was entering Team 7 for the exams. Kakashi definitely doesn't look 6 there. and entering so many 6 year olds in Chuunin exams is just plain stupidity.
Hmm... Ok time to find out more mistakes :D
1) the masked man at that time had long hair, and a different mask
2) kurama said that he was controlled by madara, he never mentioned "tobi"/obito
3) as others have mentioned, he would have been rather young and unseasoned to do a lot of the stuff that he did.
personally, i could live with that explanation. i'm really hoping we don't get some sort of weird thing like with nagato and the six paths of pain. that was already done once, plus we have all of those reanimation jutsu so an edo tensei would be lame. it's just fine the way it seems like it's going right now.